The Work That Lasts Speaks To What Is Stuck, Not What Is Comfortable with Lucia Pietroiusti
Episode 220
29 June, 2026

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The art that stays with you isn’t the art that pleases you. It’s the art that names the thing stuck at the back of your throat — the one you couldn’t quite say out loud — and then makes it real.

That’s Lucia Pietroiusti. Curator of the Golden Lion-winning Sun & Sea, Head of Research & Emergence at the new Hartwig Museum in Amsterdam and Curator of The 2027 Autostrada Biennale.

In this conversation, we get into why the works that last speak to the body before the mind, and what it really takes to hold space for art that risks making people uncomfortable. We talk about ideas behaving like people, about institutions learning to hold a piece of an artist’s life rather than commissioning a piece of their work, and about being tethered and free at the same time.

I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

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